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Question: How can I use a wireless connection now?


Answer: Hey Justin: Our large screen TV room is on the other side of the house from our cable modem and computers. The house is wireless 802.11b connected but since SonicBlue doesn't have software yet for that, what's our options in connecting up? Our phones are 2.4 GHz and there are no plugs for that either. Must we run wires to make this thing work? Or is there such a thing as a wireless phone modem? If we must run wires, this diminishes the value of the unit substantially. But, if we do, can we run them from a hub into the USB on the back of the 5080? Any inside information if "2003 Q1" release for a USB wireless really means Q1 or is it more like Microsoft's vaporware policies? Thanks much and Happy New Year.

jleavens writes: Thanks Marcus! You can actually use an 802.11b (or g!) wireless connection even though Sonicblue hasn't gotten the USB port running yet. Several manufacturers sell devices which act as a "bridge" between wireless units. You can plug this bridge into your ethernet port, and then it will connect to your wireless base station and voila! Considering that these bridges aren't much more expensive than a USB wireless adapter, I think it makes the USB/wireless port on the Replay less necessary. And it works now!

Marcus added on 01/19/2003: "VOILA!" is right!! I purchased a wireless ethernet bridge like you suggested, and plugged it into the back of the replay. It talks seemlessly to my wireless base station, which in turn is connected to the cable modem. No phone wires, no USB, no cable junctions and wires acorss the house, no software waits from the company .... Man, you are a genius. Thanks!

jleavens writes: Glad it worked :*)

Distortion added on 01/27/2003: What was the brand of wireless bridge that you used? I have been looking for one of those units to replace my gawd awful cord that gets me in trouble every morning when my girlfriend trips over it on her way to the bathroom. I have a netgear wireless hub and have looked at best buy and frys with no success from the less than knowledgable staff, thanks.

jleavens says: seen a lot of people using the Linksys one, but don't have one yet myself. Anyone who has this working can chime in.

Tyson added on 02/06/2003: I have the Wet11 Bridge from linksys and it works nicely.

JanJ added on 02/19/2003: About brand used successfully: I am using a Linksys WAP11 and a Linksys WET11 for 802.11b wireless bridge connection between Replay 5000 and network. Works perfectly. Seems to be the most cost effective solution.

drob added on 02/19/2003: Thanks for the info! I was planning to get the wet11 and now I will!



RickW added on 03/04/2003: I too am using a Linksys WET-11 with no issues. I plugged it into my wired hub to program it with an IP then moved it to the Replay (which I gave a static IP). It's talking to my SMC access point and I haven't detected any problems yet. I haven't copied any shows over the wireless link yet though.

ronpin added on 03/07/2003: Thanks for the heads-up on the WET11. It works just fine now -- after an initial snafu. For the uninitiated (like me) I really think some hand-holding is in order. That is, please know that you should 1st try to get the WET11 talking, wirelessly, from the PC that you'll need to set the few parameters that the WET11 needs (I thought I had the correct SSID/workgroup name entered only to find out, many hours later, that it had been changed). When I finally did get it working from a PC it was a snap to hook it up to the ReplayTV.
I do have a 30% network slowdown with the WET11 talking to my Microsoft MN-500 "base-station" from 5 feet away (Lets blame Microsoft since nobody else is reporting slowdowns). It sure is nice to watch the ReplayTV connect to the server and whiz thru a synch-up. I've yet to try sharing or streaming videos across the net.

ronpin added on 03/17/2003: Be advised that the WET11 appears to have a regular lockup "feature" that requires the power plug to be removed and replaced for a cold boot to restore it.
I did a search on the problem and found several other users that are having the same problem. Apparently linksys is not too worried about it. Meanwhile you'll want to check your ReplayTV to make sure it is has connected recently (i.e. press "411" "zones").

ejung added on 06/21/2003: SMC makes one of these devices, the SMC2670W (http://www.smc.com/index.cfm?sec=Products&pg=Product-Details?=272&site=c)

I'm using it right now with my ReplayTV and it's great. No lock-ups like the WET11.

From the SMC website:

The EZ Connect 2.4GHz 11Mbps Wireless Ethernet Adapter (SMC2670W) converts any Ethernet device in your home and/or office to become wireless device in minutes. The new product transforms any Ethernet-equipped device, such as a gaming console, printer, set-top box, point-of-sale terminal, desktop or laptop computer into wireless network device instantaneously. Using the standard IEEE 802.11b technology, this Wireless Ethernet Adapter supports transfer speeds up to 11Mbps with a maximum operating range up to 825 feet. It is the ultimate convenient way to expand your wireless local area network.



Madgenius added on 09/01/2003: I just installed a Netgear ME101 on my replaytv worked great and MUCH cheaper then the WET11

sidlives added on 09/12/2003: If you already have an Linksys WAP11, you can use another WAP11 as a bridge. This only works for WAP11 to WAP11. I found that the WAP11 is available for less than the WET11. When I installed, I had some wierd problems with connecting afer configuring the box. To fix it, I just reset the WAP11 client to factory default and reconfigured and then everything worked great!

bmcybersmith added on 09/12/2003: The Linksys WGA54G Wireles-G 802.11g Game adapter works great too I imagine you could also do the same with their WGA11B Wireless B 802.11b Game adapter. A lot less than the cost of their WET54G and WET11 wireless network bridges. I have streamed with ReplayPC back and forth between my 5060 with no problems.

Dale Wisely added on 09/12/2003: I have wireless network using a D-Link Router and DSL service.

I went out and bought a D-Link Wireless Ethernet Adaptor, model DWL-810+. I plugged it into the back of the ReplayTV, went into the SETUP menu for ReplayTV and switched from telephone connection to Network connection. Saved the setting. Worked like a charm. That was it. I didn't have to configure the D-Link unit at all, even though all of the documentation said I would. It and/or the ReplayTV unit just detected the network, automatically requested an IP address and was up and running. Unbelievable. The D-Link unit cost $99 at CompUSA.

robaround added on 09/26/2003: Has anyone tried a wireless connection through Apple's Airport?

SixtyMInutes added on 09/26/2003: Hey bmcybersmith, how did you get the Linksys WGA54G Wireles-G 802.11g Game adapter to work with your Replay TV? I got one hooked up to my XBox and when I swapped the cable to my 5040, I don't get a connection. I've tried manually inputing the IP info and tried connecting to my router through DHCP. No luck? Any ideas?

bobby_t1 added on 09/26/2003: I recently purchased a Linksys WGA11B and get regular lockups (drop in connectivity) when connected to my replaytv. I think it has to do with a period of inactivity.

This seems to be inline with similar reports from users with the other product, the linksys WET11. I just called Linksys Tech support and they said this is a known issue with all their wireless ethernet bridges and they are tryign to get a firmware update for it but "no promises when that will come out". He said it is only an issue when WEP is enabled, but he didnt' seem too sure and I haven't tried it without WEP yet. I may disable WEP and just use MAC filtering instead.

puppyc73 added on 10/06/2003: I have noticed however that with a WET11 and WEP enabled, if you set the replaytv to use DHCP instead of a static IP and use a static IP for the WET11 it solved the intermittent connection issue.

theone added on 10/12/2003: I just wanted to add that I started using the WET11 about 5 months ago and experienced the same problems with switching IP's etc. I worked with Linksys in programming the WET11 to have a static IP and the Replay to have a DHCP IP. So,...puppyc73 hit the nail on the head...

"puppyc73 added on 10/06/2003: I have noticed however that with a WET11 and WEP enabled, if you set the replaytv to use DHCP instead of a static IP and use a static IP for the WET11 it solved the intermittent connection issue."...

I wanted to add that I export shows daily using the WET11, average show being 1.2gig I eventally burn the shows to DVD using Pinnacle Studio8. My system connects every night without a hitch to replay for updates.

BPatient608 added on 10/21/2003: Just want to share my experience in expanding my wireless network in less expensive way.
I recently bought two Belkin Wireless 54G routers due to great promotions ($30 & 50 rebates each) and amazing flexible features. The rebates were submitted/confirmed but no check received. Total cost after rebates/taxes were expected about $170. Previously I have other wired/wireless 11Mb routers from Linksys/SMC/D-Link but I was quite happy this time to try Belkin (HP is now carrying this brand too). With latest firmware update, the router model F5D7230-4 can be configured as a tradition router, access point, or bridge.
Literally, this is a great way to expand your network wirelessly. Consider my total cost I saved lots of bucks from not buying the expensive so-called gaming and/or bridge adaptors.

In my case, one of the F4D7230-4 is configured as a gateway to my DSL ISP.
The other F5D7230-4 box is configured as a bridge. I have the bridge situated at my entertainment center so I hook my ReplayTV 5040 and my kids' PS2 and XBox to one of 4-available RJ45 ports.
The main router and the bridge box is about 100 feet apart.
Technically, I was at first intimidated with the network jargon/concept. However, I spent about 30 mins to read the instruction off Belkin website, download the update firmware, and 10 mins to set up and configure the boxes. So thrill with the results especially in video streaming.

NOTE: I dont mean to steer to Belkin. I just learned that the newest D-Link 54G router offer similar features.

added on 01/12/2004:
Would you recommend an 802.11b or 802.11g bridge?
I use a G-Router but am not sure of the Replay Bandwith and did not want to spend money if 11Mbps is all I will ever really need? Any thoughts suggestions?

jleavens writes: Get the "g". The only rule of thumb is that you can't have too much bandwidth.

txcas added on 01/19/2004:
I want to add that if you have an Xbox, you can use the Xbox wireless adapter MN-740. It was the cheaper wireless 802.11g solution and it works like a champ. You do need an Xbox to configure the adapter, but the settings are saved to the adapter so you can then move it to your ReplayTV. The Xbox adapter is also compatible with 802.11b networks.

SouthernReplayer added on 02/14/2004:
I just bought a replaytv and got the d-link dwl-810+. I didn't really have any gliches except that it helps to read the instructions. It didn't auto-detect but I had to connect the d-link to my router. i then hade to change my ip to be within the same range as d-link. once i did that i was able to connect to the bridge and set up the communication between the bridge and my wireless router. i tested to make sure i could use the 810+ to connect to the internet. once it checked out, simply plugged it into the replay and wahh-lahhh, everything was good to go.

ND40oz added on 02/25/2004:
The linksys wrt54g router with the new firmware 2/1/04 can now double as a wireless bridge with integrated four port switch. You can hook up 4 ethernet units(i.e. replay, xbox, playstation2, etc.) all for about half the price of the linksys 802.11g bridge.

Rick Z. added on 03/09/2004:
I'm not seeing this firmware update you mentioned for the wrt54g. There's a 1/29/04 update, but the readme file only mentions 'relay' functionality, nothing about a bridge. Do you have this setup working? What are you using as your base unit? Another broadband gateway/router? I purchased the game adapter, but haven't opened it yet. If the wrt54g will work with my existing 802.11b broadband router, then that's the way I'd like to go.

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How can I use a wireless connection now?
Posted by: w3 at 05/01/2004 at 21:29:41 reply

Delighted to find this website (even though late). Was using a Microsoft MN-500 base station router with a host desktop in the other room to connect my Dell Inspiron laptop with its 802.11b modem. Tired of stinging p[hone wires all over for the replay. Learned the hard way that the USB port on my Replay 5040 is a dummy. Had an Xbox, but did not have it on line. Bought the MN-740, which linked up with the base station and hubbed the 5040 to it (still not on Xbox live).
That arrangement worked extremely well for several months. Something happened to it on May 12, and of course I didn't find out for two weeks when the scheduling ran out. Went to reconnect and have spent the past four days cussing. The DHCP won't sense the 5040, with the firewalls up or down. IP address on the 5040 was xxx.xxx.x.28, but I can't find a reference to it anywhere in my system (just my own memory, because I noticed it when the connection succeeded before). When I try to fill in the network information (whether with DHCP enabled or disabled) the 5040 tells me my LAN gateway and DNS server are "unreachable" -- so the good news is that this lashup really worked! Somebody tell me what went wrong??

Have you tried a static IP?
Posted by: jleavens [admin@replayfaqs.com] at 05/02/2004 at 16:58:40 reply

You can always set your ReplayTV to use a static IP even if you've got a DHCP server. You just need to know the IP numbers for your gateway and DNS servers. Set it to an IP somewhere in the range that it had been getting and is valid on your network.

Two good things about static IPs is that they often more reliable for the Replay than DHCP, and also they keep your Internet Video Sharing working because your router will always send inbound traffic to the right address.

how can I use a wireless connection now?
Posted by: w3 [w3martin@sbcglobal.net] at 05/02/2004 at 21:26:13 reply

Thanks for replying so quickly. The xxx.xxx.x.28 is smack in the middle of the range and I had hopes it would be ok. When the hookup fails and I click on "more info" the replay tells me the gateway and dns server are "unreachable." Both numbers are the same and are taken off the LAN (not WAN) info on my base station's management tool and agree with the readings from ipconfig /all at the command prompt (no real complaint about the .28 -- the other numbers on the ip I'm trying to cram down are the same as the gateway and dns server numbers). Is there somewhere else in my computer or base station manager that I can go to assign a static IP? Thanks for helping! w3

Connecting ReplayTV to WET11
Posted by: chebel [chebel@tanox.com] at 05/05/2004 at 06:11:54 reply

I've read lots of posts from people using this type of set-up and I would like to do the same. I've spent a lot of time trying to configure the WET11 but when I connect it to the Replay, the netwrk does not see it. Can someone walk me through the configuration procedure for the bridge? Precisely what settings should I make during the setup?

same problem
Posted by: Anonymous at 08/18/2004 at 20:25:37 reply

I was wondering if you have figured out how to fix this problem. I am seeing the same thing with my 5040 unit. I have been using the built in modem, and finaly broke down and got cable modem and a router. I have tried assigning an IP, letting the unit try to configure it's self with DHCP, but still nothing. I am using a netgear wireless router.

My Wireless How-To with WPA security
Posted by: reynolds_john [reynolds_john@yahoo.com] at 08/24/2004 at 22:24:02 reply

The mission was to hook up the ReplayTV and Playstation in our family room via wireless connection to my wireless router for internet access.

My situation is probably not uncommon: Cable modem plugged into a Wireless Router (Netgear WGR614). Router is using WPA-PKI as encryption/protocol, *not* WEP. My wife has a laptop that she uses wirelessly, and my big box connects directly to the Netgear router via wired cable.

Here is my odessy:

Basically in this situation (you already have a wireless router) you need what's called an ethernet Bridge. This allows anything normally wired to become wireless (read Playstation, ReplayTV, PC, etc.).
The only bridge that really supports WPA (WEP is weak) is the DLink 810, which can be found for about $115 and it has very high-speed transfer rates. You can get the Dlink 810+ for about $69 with 2.2mbps transfer rates.
When you get the DLink Bridge, be sure to go to DLink's web site and download/upgrade to the latest firmware.

You can plug in more than one item into a Bridge *IF* you put a switch between your Replay/XBox/Playstation and the Bridge. Otherwise, the Bridge has only one plug. You can get any switch cheap for $29 or so. If you only are going to plug in your ReplayTV, then don't get a switch.

In the end, this is what I have:

ReplayTV/Playstation<<->>Switch<<-->>Dlink810Bridge<<--wireless-->>Netgear614Router<<-->>CableModem<<-->>Internet

First, ensure you can connect to your wireless router normally with a laptop, etc. Let's just state that that is a given. Also, I let my wireless router do DHCP for my house, which eliminates a lot of headache. It makes life easier.

You must configure your DLink to communicate with your wireless router (LinkSys, NetGear, Dlink, whatever you are running). There are instructions on how to do this that are pretty good from DLink. Might I also add they have *free* tech support 24 hours and it is much better than Linksys, IMHO.

Basically the easiest way is to plug your PC directly to the Dlink 810 Bridge with an ethernet cable and configure it. Once you've plugged in, set your PC network connection to something like
192.168.0.20
255.255.255.0
(leave default gateway blank)

Then spawn a browser and go to http://192.168.0.30 and configure it, and upgrade the firmware.

Once this is done, be sure to go into the wireless settings and put in your security information. Then go to the bridge and set the bridge's default gateway to be the IP address of your wireless router. This is important! Mine is 192.168.0.1, which is probably what most home users have by default. So, on the networking screen of the Bridge it's like
192.168.0.30 (DLink's default IP for the Bridge)
255.255.255.0
192.168.0.1 (my wireless router address)

Be sure to save and apply your settings, wait a few seconds then restart the DLink 810 (unplug and plug in again).

Now to test - change your IP address settings to
192.168.0.20
255.255.255.0
192.168.0.1 (or whatever your wireless router is)

You should, after a few moments, be able to spawn a browser and check email, surf the web, etc.

Take the DLink off of your PC, and plug the ReplayTV directly into the Bridge, then power up the Bridge. If you are going to plug in multiple items, plug the bridge into the switch, and then everything else into the switch.

Go into Replay, and reset the network settings. Mine churned for a few seconds, then got itself assigned an IP, etc. from my wireless router, which meant of course that the bridge is working perfectly. All this and WPA security to boot!

This was a one week pain in the butt for me, so I hope this might help someone else.

BTW - if you're thinking of using the Linksys WAP54G, you *can* with the latest firmware turn it into a Bridge, but it will ONLY talk to other Linksys products! If it connected to everything else as it should, it would be a super-cheap and more powerful solution. I don't know why Linksys did that, but then they still haven't fixed other grevious probelms on their routers, etc. Grrr. Netgear, as of this writing, does not make a wireless Bridge that does WPA security. I've heard good things about Buffalo but have never tried them. So far, DLink has been more and more impressive with time.

Cheers!


Posted by: patrickdk at 10/17/2004 at 17:13:49 reply

I'm using a WGA54g connected to my 5040, wga54g instatic ip, and 5040 in dynamic, have wrt54gs with alternate firmware (Alchemy-pre5_4a) in dynamic mode with WEP enabled. Works perfectly without lockups or droppeded connections (once I remembered I was in the usa, and can only use channels under 12 with the wga54). I transfer about 2-3 1hour shows a nite to my computer, and stressed it with playing streams from the computer and another 5040 over the network for 16 hours straight.

WET11 connection drop
Posted by: Anonymous at 11/27/2004 at 10:05:19 reply

Hi all,

I have a WET11 and when I came back from vacation, the WLAN light was off and the Replay was complaining about not being able to connect. I reset the WET11, but now the Replay couldn't obtain an IP. I gave it (the replay) a static IP and now everything works. Go figure!

Rob

This FAQ is great !
Posted by: RTV5040 [Netgear ME101 for 35$ on Buy.co at 12/03/2004 at 08:17:09 reply

I loved the mention of the ME101...the WET11 was 90$ at the cheapest place. The 101 is only 35$ AR on buy.com.

This will eliminate the 50-ft cable snaking from my closet NOC all the way across my living room (since the entertainment center is on the far end).

Linksys WGA54G Wireles-G 802.11g
Posted by: Robdesch [robdesch@hotmail.com] at 01/05/2005 at 17:19:32 reply

OK, this is a nightmare-- I tried to enable WEP on my NetGear wireless router and it killed my ability to connect with the subject Linksys unit (acting as a bridge). Any tricks or tips? I'm not too technical, so if anyone has some simple steps to follow, that would be really great!

Me101
Posted by: Mike at 01/11/2005 at 16:06:27 reply

I just got a Netgear me101 which is wireless b, w/ WEP. However I cant smoothly stream show *from* the bridged computer. I can stream shows recorded on my other replay which is connected to the wireless router, but not the other way around.

I would suggest getting a wireless g adapter if you plan on streaming your shows both ways. For connections its fine, for watching shows from a larger replay its fine.

Streaming wirelessly
Posted by: John at 01/20/2005 at 19:01:03 reply

Streaming from Replay to Replay doesn't work very well over wireless networking (even G). If all you have is the B wireless...forget it as your Replays will be hanging up and possibly rebooting constantly. I have an older 5080 that normally hangs whereas my newer 5040 will normally just reboot immediately.

For G, you can stream low quality recordings, if you can live with the occasional hiccup (and reboot of the replay). Anything higher quality than low, you will run into problems.

I still have a 100ft CAT5 cable running across my living room, up my stairs and into my office for this reason... (yes, I am a bachelor... :-)

For just getting guide info, wireless is fine...but it isn't useful yet for streaming...

no usb wireless?
Posted by: tsquared02 [tsquared02@hotmail.com] at 01/21/2005 at 09:36:47 reply

so I cannot use a usb wireless card for the replaytv? can anyone explain to me how to configure another router to act like a bridge?

Anyone else with this issue?
Posted by: icegunner [icegunner@hotmail.com] at 02/03/2005 at 20:41:12 reply

Been having this issue since day 1 and DNNA hasn't a clue. The best thing they came up with in 3 months is that my bridges are too new?!

Here's the issue... I have 2 5040s. One is connected to a WGA11 and the other to a WET11 bridge connecting to my Netgear wireless modem. Individually, they work perfectly. Running DVArchive and they both work fine with it (individually). However, not once have I been able to get them to see each other. They can see the rest of the network and the rest of the network can see them, but they can't see each other.
I've been struggling with this for months now. And, as I said, RTV support is clueless and can't come up with anything.

Has anyone else seen this and found a solution for it? I would be eternally gratefull. Afterall, that's why I bought two of them.

Getting going with ME101
Posted by: WiredCloset [james.trefren@reuters.com] at 04/02/2005 at 02:47:08 reply

I set up my new ME101 with a Netgear MR314 Router. Works great with my laptop. Plugged into Replay and watched the router. Gets a DHCP address fine but then times out connecting to the network. Tried a static IP and same time out. Any wisdom out there?

Wireless Streaming Video
Posted by: gkim [garykim@comcast.net] at 11/28/2005 at 11:42:26 reply

I concur. I have a Belkin Pre-N running @ 108 mps for my laptops, but I'm running a USR for my two, soon to be three, ReplayTV's. they are running 54G and I get the little hiccups and an occasional reboot. I'm desparately looking for a 108 Pre-N (MIMO) game adapter or bridge so I can bring everything up to 108.

Easiest Solution
Posted by: Anonymous at 12/13/2006 at 14:35:56 reply

Logitech Play Link... it is advertised for connecting an XBox wirelessly, but it works with any ethernet enabled device. It basically works like a cordless phone. You literally just plug one in on each end and it works like a wireless Ethernet cable. No fuss, no muss. If you hunt around you can find one for ~$30.

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